NO SEAT BELTS. good grief.

Whats with people these days? Everytime I read of a fatality, it ends up NO SEATBELTS. Something as easy as "Click It" would save the families the grief. I don't care about wearing them either but at least I am here to say it!

i am the sister of kyly jones and i would like to say what would save the grief of families would be everyone else minding their own business and keeping their opinions to themselfs!!!!!

crykad02- Please accept my sympathy, I too, lost a brother in an auto accident. Its hard for people to understand unless it is something they have gone through themselves. Hang in there!

My deepest sympathy and prayers to the families. I know it's a terrible thing to have to go through. I lost my 21 and 23 year old sons in a car accident. Yes, they were BOTH wearing seat belts when they were hit by a drunk driver.

crykad02
Everyone feels bad for you and your family, but by others bringing up the importance of seat belts over and over again, it may save lifes next time. Had your brother heard this, he may be with us today. Kids need to get past "it ain't cool to wear a seat belt with your friends". They save lifes!

crykad02 - My heart and prayers go out to you and your family. People say things without thinking and I have found on this particular forum, people say stupid things without having to worry about taking responsibility for them. Your family has suffered an unfathomable tragedy. You loved your brother and will miss him greatly.

Rush620,
I saw nothing stupid in what anyone said here. Save more lifes..........wear seat belts! No one on here doesn't feel bad for her loss. We all sympathize. Preventing it from happening again should be the goal so that others dont have to feel what the family is feeling.

Is that a new law about wearing your seatbelt ? What is wrong about wearing your seatbelt ?

I had only known Kyle for a short time but my heart goes out to his family and friends. I seen Kyle nearly everyday the past month and he was eager to help out and work. He tried really hard and I liked him. It is very sad that such a young life was snuffed out in that tragic accident.
Yes, seatbelts are the law, but I say that no one can declare that a seat belt would have saved his life. He is gone and I will miss seeing that young man who had his whole life ahead of him. I do not know Kyles Sister, but I do know the grief of losing a Brother. God Bless and know that Kyle will not be forgotten.

Crykad, my heart and sympathies go out to you and your families. Jackie was a close friend of mine, as is Chris. If I could take your pain away, I would, but know this, it does get easier, it just won't completely go away.

I digress, first of all, had they been wearing seat belts there most likely would have been 5 fatalities (I only learned this through experience working as an EMT at many MVC scenes).

Secondly, everyone blamed old people driving, and seat belts (which were worn btw) when my grandfather got killed by a speeding cop in '94, (not the cop going 125 mph through a school zone, who also left the scene of the accident).

Thirdly, leave these people alone, they have enough to deal with, without coming on here to "SEAT BELT" crap. Repetition has it's place, but not here, at least not at this time, you're not even going to reach your target audience. Go to a school and preach, let these people mourn.

SES, I can not believe what you just said !!! You stated you are an EMT. I have to ask are you an employed EMT or are you a responder EMT? As a medical professional of 27 years in the emergency medical field as a paramedic. I have never and I mean never pulled a deceased person from a survivable wreck who was wearing their seat belt. There have been accicdents that I thought for sure the occupants were dead when I pulled on the scene and low and behold they were ok. Sure you might get a broken rib from a seatbelt ,but you can live with a broken rib or shoulder...It is the wild impacts within the car that causes the injuries, hitting the roof of the car from inside cans easily cause a c-spine fracture. Ask the mother of 2 who was driving down a local road, not wearing her seat belt hit a bad bump her butt came off the seat and she hit her head on the roof. She is now paralized from the chest down. Of course the ejection is a bad thing too. You never know when you are going to be rolled over by the vehicle. Fly out of the vehicle and strick a stable object.
I am so sorry for the loss of the lives we have seen here in the northwest MO area in recent days and I pray for the families to be able to gain the strength to go on. But please wear your seatbelt, put kids in car seats, do not hold your babies on your lap in the front seat. We need to prevent these tragic deaths.

Please god don't let SES be the one to help me if I ever need emergency treatment.If she (or he) knows about medical treatment, like they do about car safety, I know there is a good chance I will be coming to see you sooner than I wish.

i would like to thank everyone who has left a decend message to my family and i. I thank you for just taking a moment to think of us. Overall my opinion of reading this page from what has been said so far is that, yes, everyone has an opinion in one way or another and has a right to state it but we are not talking about what people think about who should be president or what shirt to wear. we are talking about a life. my brother's life!!! I agree that if he been wearing a seat that he still would not have survived. If he had been wearing a seat belt he would had been crushed even more being trapped in the vehicle and we would not be able to hold a open casket furneral for him. I can say that i do wear a seatbelt everytime that i am in a vehicle so i am a believer but i am not going to use my brothers dead as an example of what i believe in and i will ask others not to do the same. my 2 sons and soon to be born daughter will never be able to say hello or hug their uncle kyle again i am thinking of those moments. those momemts are what are important and what need to be remembered!!!!

i would also like to say that i am also sorry for those who are hurting from the result of what had happen or from anyother happenings. losing a love one is not easy and the pain will never go away.

Posted by gr8fan on May 12, 2008 at 8:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)
crykad02

Everyone feels bad for you and your family, but by others bringing up the importance of seat belts over and over again, it may save lifes next time.Had your brother heard this, he may be with us today.

"had your brother heard this, he may be with us today." how can you even have the balls to state this to a stranger who has just lost thier brother? Or anyone in my shoes? we havent even barried him yet. i have a thousand emotions going threw my head and you are asking me if anyone has told him that he should have wore a seat belt? i am tired of hearing things like this! i am tired of being angry from others not having any decency in the words that they type. like i said if my brother had been wearing a seat belt in the condition of his wreck we wouldnt be able to hold an open casket it would have been worse for him being in that vehicle with a seat belt. Kyle was my baby brother and my only brother not even a year between us. But to answer your question, I am confortable saying that no one had to tell a 22 year old man to wear a seat belt. but this whole seat belt argument doesnt matter to me i will never question his decisions that night. i love my brother and what is done is done. he is gone and i will never have my brother again. Thats what im thinking about! MY BROTHER IS GONE!!!! SO CAN EVERYONE LEAVE MY ALONE WITH ALL THIS SEAT BELT CRAP!!! becouse that doesnt matter now, and it is the least of my concerns.

gr8fan, toughtimesfade:

Learn to read the entire argument, not just pieces of it before flaming. I have pulled dead people out of rollover accidents involving SUV's... whether you have or not. The whole point of the argument is the fact that all of this seat belt preaching is not reaching your target audience, and is doing nothing but putting hot sauce and salt in the fresh wounds of the families suffering through this tragedy. I have been in their shoes, knock it off and show a little bit of compassion.

crykad02,
No one means you, your brother or your family any disrespect. Basic safety issues are what are being discussed. I suggest you try to grieve with your family and not bother yourself with what anyone says or thinks on here. It takes no balls to state opinions on safety issues that may save others lifes. It takes empathy and caring for others. As for your brother's situation, a seat belt may not have helped him. The majority of fatality accidents it would.

Seat belts are not the main issue here, it is an inexperienced driver speeding, sad.

I've driven that section of road many, many times - there is NO REASON ANYONE SHOULD CRASH THERE.

Seat belts might of helped.

Driving properly would of saved lives.....

Though I understand the point of the arguments here are general vehicular safety, I also understand crykad2's point of view. As someone who lost a brother almost 3 years ago to an alcohol-related watercraft accident, I was definitely feeling like lashing out at anyone for the senselessness of it all. It was only in the last year that I have been able to place some blame where it should go, which is partially on my brother for making such a stupid boneheaded decision, though he was not piloting the craft at the time - it was a such a stupid thing for him to have done, for all of them to have done. But right now crykad2 is dealing with overwhelming loss and anger and taking everything as a personal jab at her family, which is perfectly understandable.

Well said Anoneemus! I agree and once again state that we feel bad for Kyle's family and pray god will help them heal.

I have tried for the longest time to avoid this post because I wanted to react reationally.

All of the drivers and the passengers in that car were adults. They made an adult decision to not wear their seat belts.

This family is trying to grive, and the posters who keep making remarks regarding the fact that the occupants/driver were not wearing seat belts are in my opinion negatively impacting that process.

I can almost guarantee you that at one point you haven't worn your seat belt. Maybe you were only going a block, maybe you forgot, or maybe when you were younger you felt safe and didn't want to look uncool. The point is, when you forgot to wear your seat belt you survived, be thankful but not all of them did. I'm sure that if they could come back and have it to do over again they would have but they made a mistake.

At our age we know to wear our seatbelts. These people chose not to, they made a mistake. Their family now needs to grieve. Save your wear your seatbelt message for grade and middle school aged kids who might not be aware of what can happen.

As adults every time we get in the car we make a decision.

Stjoemoe-I think your comment is very unneccessary. Who are you to say there is no reason to crash there? I've been in two accidents on straight stretches of highway no less where there is no reason to crash. Twice, people were not paying attention and ran into me. The key word is ACCIDENT. They all happen. Please remember that a family is trying to grive and it is not really your place to make hurtful remarks.

This is a public forum and a perfectly appropriate place to discuss a topic as important as seat belts or driver safety. If the family wants to grieve, they should turn off their computers and spend time with their families. If they want to read all the kind things people are saying about their loved once, might I suggest they read the guest book attached to their loved one's obituary?

To the families and the friends of the victim - I am terribly sorry for your loss. The loss of such a young family member is unimaginable to me and I hope to never have to experience it with someone I love.

The point of this discussion, however, is that seat belts save lives. Period.

njones60- you are right this is a public forum and appropriate place to discuss seatbelts and driver safety, however timing and tone plays a role as well, a little compassion too might be in order?! I'm also pretty sure they don't need any suggestions on how to grieve or when to look at the online obits. They are feeling their loss every minute of every day. I know this because I was in her shoes not so very long ago. And the same as this accident, my brother would not have been saved by a seatbelt. Instead of being ejected, he would have been cut in half. While I wholeheartedly agree, your odds are much, much greater if wearing a seatbelt, there are some instances where that wouldn't have mattered. That seems to be the case here as it was with my brother, unfortunately.

I'm just saying, its okay to discuss seatbelts as well as driver safety, but don't do it in away that is offensive, be respectful and compassionate while doing so. I agree with whoever said you are missing the target audience here, and while I don't oppose the topic, just how you handle yourself. This was a terrible tragic accident, and there is no need to kick a person when they are down!

i see dismay at the senseless and tragic loss of life, and the sincere hope that other drivers and passengers will learn a lesson and buckle up.

Thunder86 wrote: Stjoemoe-I think your comment is very unneccessary. Who are you to say there is no reason to crash there? Blah blah blah -

Excuse me, I did not mean my remarks to ne hateful in any way.

The article says the "kid" (21 is still a kid) driving was speeding, it sounded like it was his fault for speeding.

Again - I've driven that segment of road, as mentioned, and unless the car broke, the only way the "accident" occured was from reckless driving.

Responsibility - a tough thing, admitted.

I feel for the families that lost members, it is a sad thing.

But reality is sometimes a bitter pill to swallow.

"Speed and inattention are contributing factors in the wreck" says it all.......

Seat belts do save lives, that is a fact.

So do helmets on motorcycles.

Legally, you are required to do so in this state, it is not an option for law abiding adults.......

We all make decisions and take actions that ultimately only we are responsible for.

I've made my share of bad ones, no saint here. Making progress, not perfection, without question. I've also learned somethin -

Hopefully people learn something from this.

I do definitely agree seatbelts save lives, and it is most definitely a law. I believe what probably is an issue here, is that it "appears" by some statements that this was not a survivable accident. I think and I could be wrong, but some are making it out to be that "if only" they had their seatbelts on they would still be here. I think that is probably what is the hot topic here. I think everyone 100% agrees about seatbelt safety. I know I am buckling up "before I leave the drive" now instead of en route.

As for how the paper infers that someone is fault, be careful about that too. The paper had my brother's accident all wrong, but they just might not have had all the facts at the time of print, who knows etc.

WOW, we just cant put this to bed can we? The driver of the car stated numerous times according to the witness at the scene, SusyQ, "I was going too fast". Case closed as to fault and what happened. Everyone has stated their opinions on the seat belts. Let it go!

Hey I didnt debate that driver safety was or was not an issue here?! It most certainly was. I must have missed that in the article about the witnesses, so excuse me...I didn't realize anything I said in my post would get someone so bent out of shape. Agree...let it go!