Biden has obviously inhaled too much of that Chinese coal smoke that he said is invading the West Coast, another seat-of-the-pants claim to add to his others.

Biden, who's been in the Senate for three decades, mistakenly stated that the executive branch is defined in Article I of the Constitution. In fact, Article I describes the legislature, while Article II lays out the executive.

Biden said the vice president's only role is to support the president and to preside over the Senate "only in a time when in fact there's a tie vote. The Constitution is explicit."

The Constitution, though, actually says the vice president is always president of the Senate and legal scholars say he has the right to preside at any time.

Damn, I'm calling chuzzlewit when I need some help on the constitution. Good job. Palin redeemed herself from the ridiculous ridicule she has been receiving from the liberal media. She was the clear cut winner, for style and grace, if nothing else. Choke on that Tina Fey-ke and Katie Courset!

She was hardly the clear cut winner, she did do good, better than what I thought. She totally avoided the questions and then just slung mud at Obama and Biden. She didn't even stick up for McCain when Biden was casting his stones at him. She was clearly coached on what topics to talk about and to change the subject if she didn't know what they were talking about, she did great at that.

So what if Biden got some facts mixed up, we all do, he is human it happens. Palin has done the samething on her facts in the interview with Couric.

You might want to call Wright_Winger for some questions on the constitution....oh wait I mean m_chuzzlewit.

She does have a nice smile and she is pretty, but can we really afford to have another president who can't pronounce nuclear?

I passd out half way through the debate, Maverick was my drinking word, does anyone know if the "pitbull with lipstick" line was used or referenced? I have $20 riding on it with a friend.

Biden lied about the tax and energy votes. During the debate Biden adamantly claimed McCain voted the same way as Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama did on a vote to raise taxes on those making $42,000 a year. The legislative record shows McCain was not present in the Senate for either of those votes and is recorded as “not voting.”

Biden claimed McCain voted against alternative energy 23 times. The independent Factcheck.org has previously stated when Obama and other Democrats made similar charges about the 23 votes “they’re overstating the case.”

Again, the only thing Palin proved last night is that she is a fast learner. Any topics that she chose to elaborate on, we saw the same sort of cutsie, Couric/Gibson-interview stuff from her.

I don't like how she talks to people as if she's reading us a bedtime story. Some people feel it's genuine, real-mom talk.

I say it's condescending considering she knew as much of the world as ol' Baghead Jheri 6 weeks ago.

Having a hardcorp team of politicians and analysts to prime, prep and mold you and your responses for a 90 minute debate hardly constitutes holding your own.

Sorry, no lipstick comments!

As a complete aside, she is hot! I just can't take the nasal Canada-speak and it turns me off.

Some of the analysts from CNN last night claim her to be a real, serious contender in 2012. And I will say that if she continues on her course of learning the ropes she'll be exactly that...

Another mouth spouting off BS we all know is BS and she'll be just another lying friggin' politician.

The only thing she had going for her, in my book, was the fact that she wasn't a politician before last night.

Now she is simply more of the same. Neither party gets my vote.

P.S. I think it's safe to say Americans have had enough. We want our soldiers home now. We don't want this Iraq thing anymore.

Palin proved it with her rebuttal to Biden concerning the war and the Dems. 16 month plan. When she called it a white flag you could tell she had no conviction, she knew she was lying and that is why I liked her before last night.

She HAD a conscience. The remnants were present for all to see last night when she limped out there with the white flag comment.

Those were not her words and it was obvious she had to force them out of her mouth.

Bring our goddamn soldiers home. Enough. CNN's little real-time thingy was more a distraction to me most of the night, but it did accurately reflect what we, the citizens believe...

Bring our soldiers home.

For the first time I think I agree with MichaelH.

Bring them home and end this war!

Michael...you are SO sure about the "facts" you hear from other sources without doing any independent research. I hear that Wright made a total fool of you. Is that right?

but gosh darnit, mccain's a maverick!!

i swear she called joe "senator obiden" at one point. did anyone else catch that?

I think Chuck Norris should run for president and then we could have the debate held in the octagon.

Oh wait, he's a die hard republican, I guess us democrats will have to come up with a Barney Bad *censored* to go up against him.

You could team David Bowie and Mick Jagger...just a thought

They're pretty skinny, I think if Chuck farts on them they would break in half.

Nice try though ww.

I'll be the first to admit Palin did much better than I expected. Guess they coached her well during her stay at McCain's place in AZ.
Palin not only didn't refer to NATO commander General McKiernan as a General, she called him McClellan, TWICE!! She also lied about the voting record of Obama involving tax issues. (She said he voted for increases 94 times and fact check said it was less than half of that). Also enough with the cutesy winking already.....

Check this out m_chuzzlewit:

The News Press Says:

Palin said Obama had voted to raise taxes 94 times — an allegation that Biden disputed and then countered. By the same reckoning, he said, McCain voted "477 times to raise taxes."

Now here are the facts:

THE FACTS: The dubious count includes repetitive votes as well as votes to cut taxes for the middle class while raising them on the rich. An analysis by factcheck.org found that 23 of the votes were for measures that would have produced no tax increase at all, seven were in favor of measures that would have lowered taxes for many, 11 would have increased taxes on only those making more than $1 million a year

And people think Obama is going to be the super taxer. Check your facts.

I love it how Palin gets praised for not catastrophically screwing herself over once again, but Biden, whom is expected to do well gets nothing.

Thanks for the numbers devinbroncs! :)

I think Palin did great. I mean you have to consider this was her FIRST debate. How many debates did Biden do, not only all the recent presidential debates until he dropped out, but he ran for prez 20 years ago. He is a veteran for petesakes and Palin got up there and held her own. This lends more credence to her abilities, in my opinion. If she doesn't get in now (because I think Obama will win despite my vote against him) I hope to see her back sometime in the future. Coincidentally, my opinion of Biden DID improve with listening to last night's debate. Heck I think I would like Biden-Palin ticket better. Besides, if Obama wins, it will really be Biden-guiden Obama. He so much as admitted that last night.

Palin was so nervous last night... i loved it how she never answered the question she was asked! she kept talking about energy and blah, blah, blah! most of her statements made no sense at all! run on sentence after another!
john's the maverick! he's so cool!
biden just stood there smiling at her thinking WTF?

One question, if you aggressively tax the corporations and the rich in this country, who do you think will eventually end up paying more for needed items for their families?

IMHO, cutting taxes on the middle-class is great, but corporations will end up raising prices on common goods to make up the money they end up paying in higher taxes with Obama. How does this help our economy?

I'm asking this with all due respect and am not looking for a fight. I just don't understand how Obama's over-taxing the corporations and rich will help our economy and trickle down to us common folk.

family guy - we even seen that evidenced here locally when minimum wage was raised. A good portion of products and services costs were raised and passed on to the consumers. Obama's plan will hurt the middle class, even if he buries it, it will trickle down to us in one form or another.

...and what about the business tax hurting small business owners and contributing to unemployment, yes his taxes WILL hurt the middle class, affect the economy. The economy is in enough mess.

....and I don't agree with your philosophy, if I have more money, I certainly won't be spending it, I will be able to keep on my bills and hopefully start to replace my savings that I have been tapping into! That is exactly where my "incentive check" went to...BILLS! I bought nothing with it...nothing.

Stealth - they will find a way to pass it on in some fashion...what suddenly they can't raise their prices when the want? Biden did say that he would be there, right next to him with all of his wisdom, telling him what he thinks things should be handled. Hey after last might, I kind of like Biden, I'm not knocking him. I think a BIDEN-OBAMA ticket would have been more appropriate.

As much as I hate to agree with stealth (isn't that a ninja??) but he is right on the pricing of corporations.

But that is corporations it will be different with your smaller locally owned chains, they will however raise the prices. But that will be mainly due to the minimum wage going up.

Okay, I will correct it again, I used it to pay a TAX bill, kinda funny dontcha think? So who is getting richer...the state and federal governments! The only other people who get richer off of me is Walmart.

And for small business, is it profit over 200k or if they gross 200k?

Ninjaman, namajamin, stealth-karate-man, hombre del ninja, spyhunter, nerd, grimjack and quite possibly Frank...dude I can't keep up with your log in names or what you are having for lunch! LOL :P

Your only right on 4 of those names too. 2 belong to someone else and grimjack was his own person kind of somuch.

I thought it was interesting that biden did not speak to Gov Palin directly!! If I debate someone it speak to them not a third party. I thought this showed biden for the condescending a-- he really is. He is still one of the good ole boys in DC that has been there too long now. At least Palin would be new blood.

adding kung fu man to the list, taking off grim jack. Which two was I wrong on? Frank? and Grim...or is there one more? If not Ninja, must be a relative, LOL.

And it is Suzy with a "Z" Ninja, you should know that by now. ;P

Left over meatloaf sammy!

Me likey leftover meat loaf on toast with Cheez Whiz (With a Z). LOL Yummy in my tummy!!!!!!

seriously?

I usually put a slice of American cheese on it. I just might try it on toast or toasted. Thanks!

Kungfu- don't knock unless you have tried it, and you haven't tried MY meatloaf.

Back to a more serious comment from a while ago, did Palin ever give any indication that they would pull troops out. I know she had a hard time answering the question.

seriously what Ricky?? Are you getting off subject???

Come on Ricky join in, you know you want, all the cool kids are doing it. Come on join in you would have fun.

What's your feelings on the debate do think Palin did great like SuzyQ?

I think she said something to the effect that when the general and Iraqi President feel everything is how it should be for us to leave. Something like that, don't quote me. So did she give a date or exact time frame? no. But I think to do that without considerations from Iraqi gov and the general on the ground would be a big mistake. I think everyone wants them out as soon as possible, but you can't leave it a mess for the terrorists to set up camp, etc.

nerd and stealth, I have a hard time believing corporations will freeze their prices if they are feeling the pinch from the tax-man.

If my taxes are lowered, won't I only see that change at the end of the year?

Will my paycheck tax withholdings actually see a decrease every pay-period, or will some other entity, i.e. federalized healthcare, be added to take even more out of my pocket?

How does a small tax cut help me save any money when other government programs under Obama are started that will take up even more of my money?

I know tax-cuts for the middle class "sounds" great, but I can't believe I am going to see any change in my monthly income under Obama's plan. Please explain how I am going to be more economically sound under Obama's plan.

Sure he does :P

No really think about it, she was cast this big inexperienced embarrassment by CNN, I mean SNL, Obama fan club, I mean the media. For her to come out there as confident as she did, do great as she did, despite knowing what was at stake, despite all the media hoopla taking shots at her, and to go up for her first debate against an experienced debator, white house politician, and as someone else said...one of the good ole boys, she did AWESOME. Mostly people who don't like her were reduced to poking fun of her accent, hair and lipstick. I think for her to do this good first up at bat says something about her...even if you don't like her.

Then if you stay exactly the same wouldn't that be just as good then going up like it has for the past 8 years (oh right he's a maverick, I forgot, and he won't continue Bush's ideas). Yes, your taxes would come at the end of the year for the majority of it but it would also recalculate your tax bracket on your check. Your taxes that you get back are from overpayment throughout the year so the IRS will refigure your withholdings so they don't have to pay you back money in April. It will work if you have your deductions set up right so you get the right amount withheld. Standardized Health Care will be pretax, whereas with McCain's plan it will turn health care into a retail market which will cause competitive pricing at first until all the big companies buy up the smaller ones and create a lock on the business, look at the banking industry right now. To me standardized Health Care is the answer so it will keep the Insurance Companies from telling us what and when we can have done as far as Medical procedures.

Yeah Palin's accent drives me nuts and all I could think about was the movie Fargo but, beside the gay marriage question did she answer one directly? Not really, if she didn't know the answer then she changed the subject to energy, maverick, or the war(which she barely knew anything about). She cherry picked her questions, if they had rocks up there at thier podiums someone would be dead right now.

obama is going to tax the big corporations?? HELLO what do they have lobbists in DC for?? Do you think for one minute the members of congress will give up all those perks because he tells them to. Remember he cannot change the laws by himself (even it he tells you he is GOD). The good old boys will not let him get away with that.

During one of his pre-nomination speeches, maybe the one in Berlin, he said he was "the one the world had been waiting for." I personally liked the Les Paul/Mary Ford version better and Les played a better guitar.

speak in todays music, not some 50's folk, country duo. Give them their due, I have heard they are pretty good.

Even if you don't like me or my music, take a look at their work and you will see what the world was waiting on back in the day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iGXP_UBog4

tigersfan, I appreciate the attempt at explaining the tax break I may (or may not) receive. It sounds like Obama's promise to cut taxes on the "middle-class" will not stimulate the economy or bring the masses out of debt to ease their bills. I'm not saying McCain's tax plans are better, but Obama's ideas are not the quick fix that he made them sound like during the debate. Obama seems to be enjoying this poll bounce based on his economic plans, but they seem to be based more on smoke and mirrors and fearful, emotional people deciding that "change" is better than status quo no matter the true cost.

IMO, Standardized Healthcare is going to bankrupt the U.S. Right now, Medicare and Medicaid are federal healthcare plans and billions are wasted each year from fraud. Our government will be hemorrhaging money for generations if we bring bureacrats into healthcare. We'll have to wait and see how this all plays out. It will be either brilliant or a national disaster.

That settles it for me. I sure wouldn't want the person you describe in the white House, one Bill Clinton was enough for me. Is there any evidence that McCain beat up any of his paramours in a Little Rock hotel room and told them "you better put some ice on that lip." Also, did McCain subject any of his conquests to the hazards of tobacco use?

obama is led by his EGO. When he destroys our country will he recieve his 7 virgins and all the wine he can drink???

Nerd....sounds like you just a wee bit jealous of Mr. McCain and his "special powers". :P

Oh yes we all know about obama's spiritual leader don't we. Where is he now. That's right he bacame a liablilty when the truth came out and was tossed aside after 20 years of preaching hate. Talk about flip-flooping.

How convenient; sources say the Taliban has removed ties with al Qaeda and intends to restore peace to the country of Afghanistan.

Just before the election, huh? I don't it buy for one second.

A region torn by religious conflict since before Jesus was a boy scout somehow managed to get on track, ultimately at the request of George W.?

I smell propaganda.

Lie, cheat and steal. That's what I want from my president. Elect Obama. The king of good judgment. When you have to plant Acorn, to plant votes, that is cheating. They announced this morning that a city in Indianapolis that Acorn was heavily vested in, is showing 105% of the city is registered to vote. How is that? And that is who you are putting up as your candidate? At least Bush was just stupid and stuck with a liberal house and senate. Change is on its way alright. The change is corruption! The fight will be over who is secretary of state, Ayers or the Rev. Wright.

Latest headline from CNN.com---Obama in position to steal Virginia from GOP!
Looks like ACORN has now hit Viginia as well. "Steal" is the key word guys. What an appropriate headline!